Video evidence - Restructure the program
Mark Ludwig
Founder, Americans for Equal Shared Parenting (advocate)
Video: Fathers Left Behind After Divorce Due to Federal Incentives - Mark Ludwig | American Thought Leaders
The Epoch Times "American Thought Leaders" interview, recorded at the 48th Phyllis Schlafly Eagle Council (per description), 2019-10-14(upload date; the recording date is not stated)
Mark Ludwig
The Epoch Times "American Thought Leaders" interview, recorded at the 48th Phyllis Schlafly Eagle Council (per description) - 2019-10-14
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What is said at 11:56
"hey, if they go after that person they get a lot more credits towards this federal incentive money that they get paid on. [Interviewer: Oh, I see.] So the sad thing is they have stopped chasing these people at all. So the people the program is designed to go after, their -- nobody's even tracking them at all. Instead they're tracing federal dollars, because the more money a state collects, the more incentive [money] they're gonna get from the federal government"
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What they argue
Advocate argues that Title IV-D incentive payments lead states to pursue larger middle-class orders and favor sole-custody arrangements, and wants IV-D returned to its means-tested welfare purpose.
Position label: Restructure the program. It describes this clip only, and "abolish" is used only when the speaker says it.
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